Although the Muther Isaac Tucker Carlson interview happened weeks ago, Christian Post responded to Tucker Carlson in what amounts to a woke struggle session. In an article titled “Christian leaders criticize Tucker Carlson’s interview with Munther Isaac: ‘No mention of Hamas‘” the zionist outlet misses the point of Tucker’s interview with the controversial clergy.
It is worth noting that Evangelical Dark Web raised concerns about Munther Isaac’s theology in that he openly associates with woke pastors, but this less the concern of Christian Post.
The article begins:
Faith leaders have pushed back against anti-Israel rhetoric promoted by Munther Isaac, the pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem, in a recent Tucker Carlson interview and challenged Western Christians to educate themselves on the history of the Israel-Palestinian conflict to avoid falling for “propaganda.”
From there the Christian Post responds to the primary point that Israel is hostile to Christianity. Earlier this week, Senator JD Vance made a similar point to what Tucker Carlson said about US foreign policy harming Christians abroad. Tucker Carlson has done a lot of content directed toward Evangelicals, particularly to impact their relationship with neoconservative politics.
Tishby, who served in the Israeli army and authored Israel: A Simple Guide to the Most Misunderstood Country on Earth, hit back at Isaac’s claims that Israel is unfriendly to Christians, emphasizing that Israel is the only country in the Middle East where the Christian population is growing.
“Israel allows for freedom of religion,” she stressed, noting that no other Middle Eastern country provides similar protections.
No further proof is provided to substantiate this claim. Tishby investigated Israel and found no evidence of wrongdoing. That settles it. However, Anglicanism is as close to Evangelical Protestant Christianity as is recognized in Israel, and the Voice of Martyr recognizes Israel as hostile to Evangelism, completely debunking the shallow rebuttal. Moreover, “fastest growing” denotes last place which is where Modern Israel is in relation to the Christian population of its neighbors.
She rejected Isaac’s allegations that Israel bombs Christians in Gaza or represses them in the West Bank, clarifying that Israel’s military actions target a jihadi terrorist organization that poses a threat to both Jews and Christians.
“Israel doesn’t go into Gaza and bomb Christians; Israel goes into Gaza to chase out Hamas. … There is no other side to radical jihadism,” she said, emphasizing that the conflict isn’t between religions but between a terrorist group and a democratic state.
Yet the Israeli government did bomb a longstanding Christian church and has killed Christian civilians. Presupposing that the Israeli government values human life is a bit of a stretch because the numbers do not lie.
In 1948, Palestinians had a significant Christian population, but this has decreased over time due to various factors, including the Intifada and discrimination against Christians by Palestinian, and not Jewish, authorities, Land said.
“In 1948, the Christian population among the Palestinian Arabs was significant due in large part to persistent and ongoing missionary efforts by American and British Evangelical Christians, including establishing hospitals and children’s homes.
Richard Land places the blame on the decline of Christianity in the region on Islam denying the role that the Israelis played. Of course, Islam does play a huge role in the decline of the church in the Middle East but the vast majority of their contributions began in the 700s. But since decolonization, American and Israeli foreign policies have been detrimental to Christians in the Middle East, and so many Christians leave. No amount of struggle sessions will make Israel the good guy here nor do they change that the Islamists are also bad. The struggle sessions operate in a binary of Israel and Palestine where neither side is deserving of support.
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It would be interesting to know how many genuine Christians are represented by statistics in any country. By this I mean, those who trust in the blood and righteousness of Christ to save them, believing Christ’s work on the cross and resurrection is their only hope of salvation. The narrow gate number might be harder to find than Carlson would allow for. Has the number of the elect changed in Israel? Luke 18:8
Ray, your biased fixation on Jews and Israel has caused you to completely lose any semblance of impartiality.
Need you be reminded, partiality is a grievous sin.
I myself posted here on this very website, under the article titled “Tucker Carlson vs Israel”, very valid criticisms of Muther Isaac. He too is biased and partial. And those who have criticized him, as well as Tucker Carlson, were right to issue a public rebuke.
If you think Israel intentionally targeted the Church of Saint Porphyrius, and the civilians therein, you are sick in the flipping head. A mosque was also damaged in the strike.
Look here, Israel warned civilians to leave, and gave them time to leave. Which is, as I stated in my response to the previous article, something the Jihadists have never done, and certainly didn’t do on Oct. 7th, when they went about INTENTIONALLY targeting, murdering, and raping civilians.
Further, even if you decide to stay, and Hamas sets up a rocket launcher right beside the building you’re in, you should have sense enough to flipping know to leave the building – or better yet, have the guts to rebuke Hamas for endangering civilians, and tell them to leave!
One thing both “sides” fail to understand is that Jihadists moved to the area following 1948 for the specific purpose of militantly opposing and trying to eradicate Israel. Historic population demographics pretty much prove this fact. The population of so-called “Palestinians” has risen commensurate with the population of Israelis. In other words, basically for every Jew that moved to the area, so did a Jihadist.
It doesn’t take a math genius to figure out that the result of such a mass influx of both Jews and Muslims would result in Christians representing a lesser percentage of the population over time.
That’s why it appears there are fewer Christians. And it’s basic math.
I’m sure some have also left. But again, that begs the question, if you, Mr. Fava,, want a Christian nation that is as hostile to Jews as you are, then why are you bellyaching about a Jewish nation that is as hostile to Christians as you claim?
Don’t be a hypocrite.
There are many countries on this planet where churches have to have government approval, and governments are more hostile to certain denominations than others, and certain religions than others. In fact, that’s the case in pretty much every country except the USA. They don’t have 1st Amendments. And here, it has not come without it’s problems. We have to put up with the satanists, atheist troublemakers, and so on.
You, yourself, Ray recognize that pluralism and multiculturalism can’t work. The founders of this country implemented federalism, and a measure of autonomy at state, and further local, levels for that very reason.
If this were a Christian nation, and Jews and Muslims were out going door to door to try to evangelize Christians, bothering us and so on, taking up our time, would you find it tolerable?
This is why Jesus said to shake the dust off your feet. If they reject you then don’t keep hounding and harassing them. Leave them alone. This is why Paul said in 1 Cor. 5 to not associate with them, to keep our own house clean, but to not go out and proactively try to judge the world.
If they’ve heard the Gospel once, then we’ve fulfilled the great commission, and our obligation to the Lord. There’s a point at which it can become little less than harassment. And the Israeli government doesn’t tolerate that. Is it hostility to evangelism, or is it more a matter of saying “we heard you the first half a million times, ok so please leave us be”?
However, as I stated in my prior post, and it is true, Christians there can criticize Israel all day long every day, and live just fine (Muther Isaac himself is proof enough), but criticizing Islam and Jihadists, on the other hand, is a great way to get yourself killed.
Think Israel is hostile to evangelism? You go try to evangelize in muslim territory and see what happens to you.
But that danger is no excuse. If you’re going to speak up, and do so without sinning, such as sinful partiality, you’ve got to be willing to put it all on the line, even unto possible death, as the Apostles. That is our calling. To serve the Lord no matter the cost. Mr. Isaac would be better off privately relaying his concerns to pastors and leaders elsewhere, such as there in the USA, and let them speak up about his concerns, so they can do so in an impartial and objective manner without risk of being targeted and killed.
I’ve visited churches before, back in my younger days going to various youth functions and such, were it seemed every 5 minutes somebody was walking up to you asking if you’re saved. After a while it gets a bit annoying. Am I hostile to evangelism? Of course not. I want every person on this planet to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. The Lord is not willing that any should perish (2 Pet. 3:9). Sure I nicely and patiently tolerated it because I knew they’re trying to do what the Lord instructed them to do, but I’d be lying if I said it didn’t get annoying after a while, and I can certainly understand Israeli Jews saying look we’ve heard you a thousand times already, please leave us alone. At some point that’s less a matter of hostility to evangelism, and more a matter of hostility to harassment.
That strikes right at the core of the problems you yourself, Ray, are trying to address by calling for Christian nationalism. It’s an understanding that some measure of separation is good and healthy. An understanding that good fences make good neighbors. An understanding that you can’t dump Christians, Atheists, Jews, Muslims, Satanists, Pagans, etc. all into a tiny area mixed together, and expect there to ever be peace and civility. Some set of standards has to rule the town square. And such pluralistic approaches do nothing but ensure a perpetual fight over which standards that will be. As I’ve stated before, the founders of this country had, what I believe is a far better idea, which was a federalist model – Christian town over here, Jewish town over there, and so on. Live and let live.
You should understand this, Ray.
It’s long past time to repent of the partiality and hypocritical double-standards.
We should deal with matters the same way the Apostles dealt with them.
Read Romans 2 and 3.
What did Paul say?
There is no distinction in that all have sinned.
In other words, he stuck with the real and true Gospel. The problem is sin. And sin is not exclusive to any groups or individuals. ALL have sinned.
The antisemitism these days has reached the point of sheer stupidity in many cases. Some are so deranged anytime the see or hear of a bad guy, they automatically assume he’s a Jew. I read a post the other day were someone called out Klaus Schwab for being a Jew. Well, there’s just one slight wee problem…. He’s not a Jew. He’s a catholic.
As far as that goes, if you want to see a group that has historically been most hostile to evangelism and Bible-believing Christians, look no further than the papacy. The Jesuits were out burning Bibles, killing Christians who didn’t bow down and kiss the pope’s ring. Starting long before the reformation, targeting groups such as the Waldensians. They still exist. They’re still active. And they’re responsible for much of the mess for which many are trying to blame the Jews.
The problem is sin.
Deal with it the way the Apostles dealt with it. Stick with the Gospel.
It is true that some unbelieving Jews are hostile toward Christians. Not all but some. They try to paint all Christians as nazis. They falsely accuse of vengeance and so on. They don’t believe the scriptures are inspired, right. So they say that Matthew of his own accord just made up Matt. 27:25, to use as an excuse to target Jews, as if the Bible instructs us to vengeance. They’re not exactly helping.
In Acts 5, the apostles were arrested and brought before the counsel, and that specific issue was addressed. The counsel said in verse 28: “We strictly charged you not to teach in this name, yet here you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and you intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.”
Part of Peter’s answer in verse 31, reads “God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins”
In other words, Peter made it clear that the attitude toward Jews is not vengeance, but rather a call to repentance, to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, for forgiveness of sins. Peter made that clear. He stuck with the Gospel.
Jesus willingly went to the cross. Nobody forced Him to do it. And that is an absolute core necessary component of the Gospel. He only asked one to let the cup pass from Him. Who did He ask? The Father, that’s who. But He willingly gave Himself up.
As soon as you start trying to blame the Jews for it, you’ve abandoned the true gospel.
And I’m not accusing you personally Ray or Anthony, but I’m posting this because I know some may read who need to hear it.
But here’s the deal. A hostility to evangelism, even if it exists, is testament to the fact that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not to punish the descendants of Jacob, but to take that punishment upon Himself, so that they may repent and be saved. So that all may repent and be saved, Jew or Gentile.
Stick with the Gospel. Stick with scripture.
Talk about hostility to evangelism. Many in the Christian Nationalist crowd fixate on white western Europeans. Meanwhile in western Europe, Christians are being arrested for speaking the truth of God’s word in public.
There are many countries worse than Israel ever has been. China, North Korea, they’ll put you to death for it. In North Korea, being caught with a Bible is about an automatic death sentence.
How about the public square here in the USA? Go try to evangelize in a public school and see what happens. The servants of satan can evangelize, recruit, and groom porneia, the slaughter of the unborn, and all other manner of wickedness, all day every day. But don’t you dare speak of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Our neighbors, Canada and Mexico are worse.
As things exist now, this country isn’t much different. The 1st Amendment has been turned on its head, used to essentially outlaw the Gospel anywhere any government at any level has its tentacles.
We have churches being targeted and destroyed here – intentionally. Rabid servants of satan shooting up churches.
Christians being driven out of the workplace.
Hostility to the Gospel of Jesus Christ is worldwide. It always has been. And it is getting worse by the minute. The USA is just barely holding on. Barely, by a tiny thread. This country is also just about already gone.
You can’t blame the Jews for it any more than you can blame everybody else.
We ourselves are partly to blame, for failing to take a stand in years and decades prior.
There’s no shortage of a need to repent among any and all tribes, tongues, and nations.
you post pro-jew comments on nearly every article. you are either brainwashed beyond salvation or a bad actor. israel is an anti-Christian country which only tolerates western pilgrims because they have to have them onside to exploit their resources. the west must abandon israel to its own wicked devices and cease propping up this evil regime which has brought nothing but bloodshed to the region since its foundation.
Are you pro-muslim?
Are you pro-jihadist?
You think the state of Israel is bad to pilgrims? Pick up a history book. Do you know what prompted the first crusade?
The problems and bloodshed in the region didn’t start in 1948.
In fact, there was much bloodshed just prior to 1948. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine
After Oct. 7th, the Israeli government had no choice but to go into Gaza and put boots on the ground, to root out all the tunnels and hiding places of the terrorists, knowing jihadists specifically hide themselves in schools, hospitals, churches, behind women and children like the cowards they are.
Israel gave civilians ample warning and time to leave, doing everything possible to avoid the loss of civilian life. Those who chose to stay did so at their own risk.
They are doing what any government should do to protect the people.
The “west” established the modern state of Israel. We did that. And we have an obligation to see it through. If Israel were to lose our support, they’d be slaughtered. There’s about 16 million Jews on this planet. There’s about 1.7 billion muslims. A ratio of about 100:1. Jews would be slaughtered.
If you hate bloodshed, as you imply, do you want that on your conscience?
The first thing I say to you is that in order to correct me you’re going to have to use scripture. I’m not above correction, but you’re going to have to do more to change my mind than what you’ve posted thus far. You’ve got to use scripture.
Secondly, what would be your practical plan for abandoning Israel to its own devices?
Thirdly, it’s not clear whether or not you are anti-Jew or anti-Israel. You essentially accused me of not being saved apparently because I am, in your view, pro-Jew, which I assume means you think I’ve been partial and biased, not just toward Israel but toward any and all Jews. Are you anti-Jew or anti-Zionist? I know this is a distinction without a difference, of your own contrivance. I just want to hear you admit it. You’re anti-Jew more than you’ve ever been anti-Israel.
i am anti-jew and anti-israel. i have no connection to these people and no responsibility to them. their own scheming led to the creation of israel. when they killed Jesus they were cut out and a new branch grafted in – the veil of the temple being torn represents the end of God’s covenant with them. i have no love for the wicked religion of islam either – in my eyes they are both the same: not Christian and therefore wrong. Rabbinical judiasm is also a younger religion than Christianity – a comparison with pre-Christian judiasm shows this openly. in fact rabinnical judiasm is effectively a atheist religion and they see the Bible as philosophy and not the word of God.
the west should stop sending them aid and military support and remain neutral. israel brings nothing but trouble for the west. from a rise in migration due to us fighting their wars for them with the muslim countries and leaving them barren and lawless, to countless of our young men killed and disabled for their benefit. and they never participate in these wars which they cause. israel also is well-known for spying on their western allies and then praising their spys as heros when they are caught and obviously returned after serving a very light sentence – see Pollard for this. effectively israel is a bolt-hole for them when they get caught subverting their host countries where they can escape to and never get extradited. they also stole US nuclear technology.
with friends like this, who needs enemies. any country with a holocaust memorial is effectively territory captured by the jews.
Our responsibilities and obligations are to the Lord, not to mankind. We have a responsibility to do what is right in His eyes, and to honor Him in all things. What we do to the least, we do to Him. We must do what is right even by unbelievers, not out of any obligation to them, but out of obligation to the Lord, and as a witness for Him.
As far as the grafting goes, here’s what the Bible says about it …
“17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.” – Romans 11:17-24
Are you justifying Islamic terrorism and its intentional slaughter of civilians?
Are you justifying Oct. 7th?
“He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.” – Prov. 17:15
In the modern era, the so-called “displacement” of so-called “palestinians” in the region began in the 1800s during the Ottoman Empire. Jewish individuals and companies bought farms, and the “palestinian” tenant farmers, who did not own the land, were displaced when their leases weren’t renewed.
Well, that happened under the rule of a Muslim empire. Yet they were still bellyaching even then about Jews buying land fair and square, attacking and massacring Jews.
I know the government of Israel has done some bad things. It supports and promotes porneia, the slaughter of the unborn, just as our own government and governments of the west also do. I don’t support or defend anything and everything that any and all Israeli’s have done. The same way I don’t support anything and everything the US government has done, or support anything and everything any and all Americans have done.
We’ve got to remain objective and impartial.
Stay focused on the Gospel.
Which begins with ” … ALL have sinned …”
you are not impartial. you care more for jews than arabs muslims. why? they are both non-Christian. i am impartial – i dislike both. american philosemitism is a kind of stockholm syndrome. 7 million jews have conquered a nation of 300 million through usuary and bribery. shame.
The Biblical definition of impartiality means holding everyone, including yourself, to God’s same standards. When one side has been more wicked than the other, treating them the same would be the sin of partiality. There is no equivalence between terrorists deliberately targeting, slaughtering, and raping civilians, and a nation’s military going after terrorists/combatants in order to defend the people of that nation.
You’re darned right, I don’t consider them equivalent.
Because they’re not equivalent.