Q&A summary breakdown
00:00–01:51 — Why this interview
Fava wants to hear Dale’s side after writing critical pieces in 2023. He won’t “endorse” him with the old record uncleared. Dale is framed as a Christian-nationalist pastor willing to touch third-rail issues.
01:51 — You said you came to faith in 2014, but you were already marketing yourself in the church. Explain.
Dale: conversion came in waves. Baptized at 20 in Southern California mega-church life — in the church, not (he now thinks) in Christ. No sin, atonement, or repentance. 2014, under a harder pastor, produced confession, repentance, and fruit. He treats earlier years as means of grace, not regeneration. After 2014: Tozer/Wesley → Puritans → seminary in 2017 → Calvinistic, then “truly Reformed” / high-church Presbyterian–Anglican. Wrote the spiritual autobiography In the Light to own failures and answer critics.
06:58 — Are the third-rail issues (feminism, liberalism) an attempt to break people out of nominalism?
Yes. Fire-and-brimstone used to break nominalism; he uses cultural issues the same way. Provocation isn’t sinful if it drives people toward righteousness. 19th Amendment, race, nationalism, porn, abortion are “front/back doors” into the gospel.
08:42 — In 2023 you stepped off social media for misrepresenting academic credentials while launching a seminary. What happened, what did you learn, and what was Joel Webbon’s role?
He finished a Western Seminary graduate studies program, then credits at The Master’s Seminary (left over dispensationalism) and Grace Bible Theological Seminary (friction over his platform). He had more credits than some M.A.s but no master’s, and “finished graduate studies” on book jackets could be read as a degree. He planted a large house church in Oregon, then launched Reformation Seminary (one-year, house-church / Reformed basics). Reformed “hall monitors” piled on. Advisors (including Webbon, named in his statement) told him to pull back for a year. He still isn’t sure that was wisdom vs. cancel-culture compliance. After near-fatal illness (2019–22) he moved to Arizona (2022) and planted what is now Kingsway Reformed Church. Public platform from his business career made a normal mega-church → house church → Baptist → Reformed Baptist → Presbyterian path look like grifting.
18:30 — Follow-up: you lacked credentials to run a seminary.
He was the business/front guy. Dr. Jason Barker (D.Min.) ran academics; Dale taught preaching, hermeneutics, church planting. Barker was on the website; critics omitted him. He says the real target was his public positions and associations (Webbon, Ogden, even Wilson then).
20:07 — How did you come back?
2024: “paid reparations,” published repentance where needed, and — on Doug Wilson’s advice — put controversies in one place so he can point to them. Then: local church + hard social-media fight so his kids “have a nation to go to.” He no longer wants Reformed-world approval.
21:13 — Is the “Reformed ghetto” / crab pot in terminal decline, or will a new ghetto form?
It will remain: people who “don’t know what time it is.” Public square needs to be creedal, not confessional. Peace-time infighting is a luxury of a victorious Christian society; we don’t have that. He will fight as a co-belligerent with anyone holding the ecumenical creeds (Rome, Orthodox, much of Protestantism) under “Christ as King.” Confessional fights (liturgy, TULIP) belong in the local church, not as the internet war. Breaking the Reformed cage is how you reach the broader right (Tucker, Rogan, PBD, NYT) instead of chasing G3 panels.
29:27 — G3-type Reformed leaders could use Israel / dispensationalism / Zionism as a mainstream opening for Reformed theology. Why won’t they?
Effeminacy and consensus-governance. They won’t touch bikinis/immodesty, dispensationalism, immigration-as-tied-to-Israel’s-wars, the 19th Amendment, barely even female pastors. Church history (Washington, Puritans) makes Dale’s camp moderate by 1700s–1800s standards: against women/Blacks voting in that historic frame, anti-miscegenation, strong patriarchy. “I’m a normal Christian pastor from 1850.” Current evangelical men are out of step with historic masculine Christianity.
33:51 — Is there an agenda behind media pairing a beta White male lead with a Black female love interest?
Yes. He reads it as repealing the postwar consensus: after WWII, nationalism, Christianity, monarchy, patriarchy were blamed for the wars, so the pendulum swung to tolerance, open borders, feminism, abortion, DEI. The church slowly walked that back (abortion → feminism/porn → Israel/globalism). Race is last because the country is already multi-racial and the subject is personally close. He and a few others started “investigating” anyway.
36:35 — Curse of Ham debate with Samuel Sey: it needed a moderator / extra cross-exam. How do you see it?
Sey prepped against Dale’s sermons but brought no positive alternative. Dale had an argument; Sey had a deflection. Compared unfavorably to Sey vs. Mahler, where Sey was unprepared.
38:03 — Sey treated Moses marrying a “Hamitic” woman as a zinger. Your take?
The Cushite may be Zipporah the Midianite (Shem), a common argument. Joseph did marry a Hamite in Egypt. Interracial marriage is not explicitly condemned, but it is not celebrated: rare, usually necessity (mission, POW, kingdom merger). He is writing a long book, God’s Design for Nations (aimed at ~400–500 pages, for legislators) on race, ethnicity, culture, immigration, and marital law, against “demographic replacement.”
40:44 — Sey: only Canaan was cursed. You underplayed the historical argument (no Hamitic power since Carthage).
Hamitic dominance was “dominant in evil,” not Japhethite civilizational virtue. Don’t judge the movie by an Egyptian snapshot. Japhethite civs produced the strongest, longest, most Christian orders. The real question: why did most of church history hold the curse-of-Ham view, and why does today’s church reject it? Same pattern as head coverings, feminism, 19th Amendment, interracial marriage. He trusts older Christendom’s instincts over “the most corrupted generation” (porn, feminism, postwar consensus). Young men are in an “age of recovery and retrieval,” testing every narrative — including Nazi Germany and Rome — which requires discernment. He’s 41: old enough to lead younger men, not a Boomer.
47:00 — “New Christian apologetics”: show Christianity isn’t fake and gay.
Agrees. Spectator, hip-sway, inch-deep church emptied men. Enemies at the gate; Islam, Mormonism, Greco-Roman paganism are being evaluated. His church is ~90% under 40, ~80% relocated — a “Mayflower moment” of Christian colonies (Ridgeway TN, Moscow, Georgetown, Prescott AZ). America is the last stand; Europe is falling. He reads Lamentations 5 as parallel: inheritance to strangers, “our fathers sinned,” need repentance and the courage to say what previous generations wouldn’t.
54:10 — You called yourself a Reformed Catholic. Rebrand?
Old Puritan title (A Reformed Catholic, 1597). His book Reform vs. Rome argues Reformed theology is the Reformed Catholic church: Lutherans, Presbyterians, Anglicans = classical Protestants; Baptists/Pentecostals/restorationists sit outside historic Protestantism. Only a Reformed Catholic church can stand against Rome. Postmill hope: Christ returns for one church, so those three streams should unite. Kingsway was WCF for years, added the 39 Articles, then shifted primary confession to the Articles while still affirming Westminster/catechisms. Self-description: high-church Presbyterian / low-church Anglican (Theopolis, Jordan, Leithart). Younger men wanted higher liturgy, collars, architecture.
56:05 — Hasn’t Protestant union been tried (German unions before the world wars)?
Wartime allows unity; infighting is peacetime luxury. Presbyterians, Anglicans, Lutherans already use “Reformed/evangelical Catholic” language.
59:27 — How does that scale? No good Anglican (or Lutheran) denomination in the U.S.
He points to the Reformed Episcopal Church (no women pastors; some CREC/Theopolis overlap). Tension: join a denomination for unity vs. get defrocked for being “righteous.” Plurality of elders + associations for now.
61:04 — CREC didn’t work out — their end or yours?
Both. “They did not treat us well.” Two presbytery meetings (Anselm / West Coast — “California of the CRECs”). First: too early, put under examining pastors (one 20+ year CREC man; visits, member meetings, regular calls). Next meeting: two-hour lockout, never allowed to address presbytery, still rejected. A former presiding minister rebuked how they were treated. Some good men there; not “their guys.” Independent until peacetime. Same reason Webbon, Calvin Robinson, Ogden are independent — “post-denominationalism” because denominations punish right-wing views on race, Judaism, etc.
65:17 — Don’t we still need confessional authority?
Confessions help, but they never imagined women pastors or gay ministers. New denominations need the old confessions plus an outer ring covering every foreseeable left-wing issue — he jokes including “sex with robots” / “robo-sexual.”
67:23 — Anthony: are non-denom pastors shifting Reformed, even if not all the way?
Yes. Webbon, Brian Sauve, Wilson, Joshua Haymes, etc. speaking to the hour. Modernity failed; old paths look sustainable. Some try Orthodoxy (~<1% of U.S. Christians; clashes with Western mind) or Rome (Marian dogmas, infused righteousness). Bible-readers leave mega-church/low-church Baptist and land Lutheran / Anglican / Presbyterian. He has been surprised by BCP unity: a shared daily devotion his congregation didn’t get from Westminster alone.
71:50 — Close / where to find you
X: @DalePartridge. Books: relearn.org (http://relearn.org/). Podcast: American Glory on NXR. “Fight for truth… with grace.”
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