Neil Shenvi is JD Greear’s apologist and recently exposed himself by defending Greear’s teaching that Christians, Muslims, and Jews worship the same god. This is, of course, untrue as Muslims and Jews deny Christ and therefore do not have the Father. Moreover, they deny the Holy Trinity, so they deny the Holy Spirit as well. So to assert that people worship God simultaneously while denying Christ and the Holy Spirit goes against the orthodox position on the nature of God as well as the understanding that pagans worship false gods or even demons.
Shenvi’s defense of JD Greear’s teaching was so poorly received that he competed with David Reece in making a fool of himself. He would delete some of the tweets defending JD Greear and say this.
I deleted two tweets about the relationship between Christianity, Islam, and Judaism because I don’t want to mislead people about the fundamental incompatibilities of the world religions. I apologize for posting them. I’ll reiterate that evangelicals should clearly affirm that there aren’t “many paths to God,” that non-Christian religions are false, and that God does not *accept* the worship of other religions. Thanks to @dmichaelclary>@between2worldsfor their counsel.
Shenvi addresses a false criticism of his words that he was misconstrued as saying Islam (and Judaism) offer a pathway to justification and that God accepts their worship of him. But this was not what Neil Shenvi was getting mocked for defending. Neil Shenvi defended Greear’s teaching that Muslims and Christians worship the same god, a completely separate thing that he maintains even in his fake apology.
As David Morrill of Protestia notes:
Notice that Neil is apologizing for being too far ahead of the simpletons in his discussion of the issue, not for the unbiblical “unknown god” position he formulated in defense of Greear’s “same God” error, which remains intact in this mea culpa. He’s not the problem. You are.
Many people fell for Neil Shenvi’s feigned retreat from JD Greear’s heresy, but he got people to forget why they were dunking on him in the first place.
Christians have a righteous tendency to be magnanimous, something that wolves and snakes prey upon. Christians need to see through fake apologies and people who function as apologists for false teachers.
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The problem with people who want to compare the god of the Koran to God in the bible is this. Even if I want to consider the fact that both religions believe in a single diety (triune or not), the bible is pretty clear what it takes to get to heaven, so if the bible is true, then the God and actions from those who worship ‘Allah’, does not match up. So anyone with half a brain would have to conclude even if it could be true, clearly these people do not have the fruit of the spirit, which means, absent a salvation experience from grace to faith, we know the destiny of those folks. (Unless your some weird Calvinist that thinks god Predermined people from Islam to come to him, but not through the Gospel as presented in the bible, which would be another issue entirely) I personally do not believe the Koran and Bible teach the same things, and the representations specifically of the Godhead are so not comparable, even I as a novice at the topic know this.
The entire take on this was just bad, and maybe JD Grear was speaking from the hip trying to get people to pay attention, without thinking a head, there seems to be a rash of preachers doing this from the pulpit in the last decade, filling in lack of scripture with their own ideas or imaginations, this guy clearly pushes it as some kind of wacky unhinged follower of it. I’d almost think of it as hyperbole except this guy didn’t just come out and say I’m using exageration so there you go.
Not so sure it is appropriate, or even faithful to the biblical text to lump the views of God pertaining to the Jews and of Muslims together. In the Apostolic era, Jews typically did not accept the fullness of who God is as had been revealed through the coming of the Christ and through the Apostles, and they clung to many of their unbiblical traditions, but they acknowledged what had been revealed to them through the Hebrew writings, although in a way that was taught incorrectly. Muslims adhere to a God that was completely made up by Mohammed.
A pastor who uses a third party to research his sermons (is it Docent? (sp)), who says the bible “whispers” about homosexuality, mixes CRT into the Gospel, and says they all worship the same, basic, god? Did he actually get an education in these things or was that plagiarized as well? These are stupid stupid statements.
The Talmud is more anti-Christian than the Koran. If Muslims don’t worship the true God, neither do Jews.
That is not the portrayal given by the Apostles, especially the Apostle Paul. He repeatedly stated that they knew the Scriptures, and that the Scriptures point to the one true and living God. They were of their father who is Satan, because their heart was far from God, but the depictions of who God is was contained in their Scriptures. That is who they identified as God. Muslims point to a different depiction of God in the original writings handed to them. The Jewish Talmud, written after the time of the Apostles basically, for a few hundred years, obviously had commentary that depicted Christ and the Apostles as imposters and that Christ was not God amongst other things that sent the majority of the Jewish Nation further from the truth, in numerous areas not just about Christ and the Apostles, but also pertaining to no longer having their Temple. However, they still adhere to the original torah, but with absolutely terrible teaching leading them away from the Truth that it contains. Jews can still go back to the Torah and read it for themselves though. It has a depiction of God as He presented himself before the time of Christ, and of course depicts the coming Messiah in veiled form.
The God of Islam is far different, and when considering the depictions of events in their end-times writings, it becomes obvious that Allah is the end-times Satan of the Christian Bible. The Talmud doesn’t switch the roles of Yahweh and of Satan, and of Christ and of the false Prophet like Mohammed did in his writings. Jews can identify a partial biblical view of Yahweh through the Hebrew Scriptures. Muslims are misled about who God is from beginning to end, and it is clear that God is even substituted for Satan when their depiction of end-times events is revealed.
These two depictions of God are not equal.